We've discussed how Southern plantation owners may have justified their involvement in the institution of slavery. A good case can be made that without slavery the economy of the Southern colonies - and later the Southern United States - would have crumbled. Howard Dodson, writing about the importance of slavery to the cotton trade in 1800s America, says "the slavery system in the United States was a national system that touched the very core of its economic and political life." He goes on to describe how the institution of slavery was interwoven into virtually every part of the U.S. economy at the time:
So were Southern plantation owners right? Was the future of the United States - and the survival of the colonies before that - critical enough to justify slavery? Obviously, we have decided as a nation - as late as it was - that slavery was an evil institution and a regrettable part of our past. So should slavery be remembered as a necessary evil? If so, then how can it we get past the fact that African slaves were forced against their will to be at the center of this horrible history.Each plantation economy was part of a larger national and international political economy. The cotton plantation economy, for instance, is generally seen as part of the regional economy of the American South. By the 1830s, "cotton was king" indeed in the South. It was also king in the United States, which was competing for economic leadership in the global political economy. Plantation-grown cotton was the foundation of the antebellum southern economy.
But the American financial and shipping industries were also dependent on slave-produced cotton. So was the British textile industry. Cotton was not shipped directly to Europe from the South. Rather, it was shipped to New York and then transshipped to England and other centers of cotton manufacturing in the United States and Europe.
As the cotton plantation economy expanded throughout the southern region, banks and financial houses in New York supplied the loan capital and/or investment capital to purchase land and slaves.
Recruited as an inexpensive source of labor, enslaved Africans in the United States also became important economic and political capital in the American political economy. Enslaved Africans were legally a form of property—a commodity. Individually and collectively, they were frequently used as collateral in all kinds of business transactions. They were also traded for other kinds of goods and services.
The value of the investments slaveholders held in their slaves was often used to secure loans to purchase additional land or slaves. Slaves were also used to pay off outstanding debts. When calculating the value of estates, the estimated value of each slave was included. This became the source of tax revenue for local and state governments. Taxes were also levied on slave transactions.
Politically, the U.S. Constitution incorporated a feature that made enslaved Africans political capital—to the benefit of southern states. The so-called three-fifths compromise allowed the southern states to count their slaves as three-fifths of a person for purposes of calculating states' representation in the U.S. Congress. Thus the balance of power between slaveholding and non-slaveholding states turned, in part, on the three-fifths presence of enslaved Africans in the census.
(from National Geographic News)
Today you heard the horrors that Africans had to endure from the moment they were captured. Hopefully, for a few minutes you tried to put yourself in Kunte's shoes - as impossible as that is.
So after reading above about how important slavery was to the economy of our country's early years and after considering what we heard and felt in class, how do you think the United States would be different today if the slavery in North America never existed? Would there have ever been a United States? Would the United States have been better off without slavery? If we decide that slavery was important enough to forgive early Americans for, then we should consider what Lincoln said:
Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.That's probably a good test to apply to ourselves whenever we argue for anything!!
Remember, keep your comments and debate respectful. Be thoughtful!!
21 comments:
It is terrible what the early Americans did. America might not have succeded without slavery, and we won't know if or if not it would have. America succeding because of slavery is a good and bad thing. It depends on if you think the succes of America was worth thousands and thousands of lives, and millions of humans tortured-because that is what slavery was.
i say jackie has stolen the words right out my mouth! slavery was needed for the success of america but was it really worth all the torture. the Whites could have just worked instead of torturing someone who had done nothing wrong. but the important thing is that we learn from this and make sure we never toture people like that ever again!!!
I agree with Jackie too. Depending on your point of veiw slavery was either bad or good. Bad because real human beings just like us, were held against their will and beaten. Good because, without the slaves who knows how many adults and children would die because their land was too big to farm all the crops in time, before they starved. Another good thing is how much the slaves helped with the economy. Because of the slaves, the slaveholders were able to sell the crops etc. So how can you really decide which is bad or good? Sure the slaves were held against their will, but without them the whites would probably die. It's kind of a win/lose anyway you look at it.
I think that slavery was not fair. It was unjust and cruel, but the economy would have failed without it. If it hadn't of happened we wouldn't be like we are today. The world could be better or worse. The sad thing is we'll never know. It had its bad and good parts, I just wish that they had treated the slaves better than they did. Maybe then it wouldn't be so tramatic.
I do agree with Jackie, because where would we be today if we hadn't had those slaves. We might not have been as successful with our land today if we didn't have slaves. I feel like slaves shouldn't of had to do all the work though. I think that instead of slavery there should have been another way to take care of our country. An example would be to have those who had done something bad have to serve to those fields for a temorary time. I think that if we would have used this method, then America would have been better off and we wouldn't have those terrible memory's. I also agree with what Lincoln said because that gives us a point of view of what it would be like to do something.
I agree with you, Lauren. It was really a win/loose situation! Slavery was very terrible because these people are humans and are equal to us, no matter what their race. Yet, early Americans treated them like they weren't the same species as themselves! Yet, slavery was also kind of good. If we had never had slavery, people would have starved and the economy would have completely hit rock bottom. But also in that same statement, people were starving! The slaves!
If slavery was never committed in American history, we wouldn't be a free country. But, slavery was the opposite of freedom, and it was terrible and cruel. It's a good and bad situation from pretty much any perspective in my opinion.
I agree with you Kassidy about the slaves starving! If they had enough food to export they should have enough food to feed PEOPLE. I can't see how they convinced themselves that slaves were only 3/5 person! If they are human, they're human! We treat our pets better than they treated slaves.
I think as unjust as slavery was, the United States may not have survived without it. But no one knows for sure. What the early Americans did was unforgivable. Every human is equal and should have the same rights. The early Americans treated the slaves as three-fifths of a person and that is absolutely wrong.
In my opinion The early Americans shouldn't have done the things that they did because they are torturing them for no certain reason to the point that they would commit suicide instead of going though all of that pain. The Torturers (the whites) just treated the blacks as if they were nothing but an animal/dog, cow, ect. I know that if i was alive in that period i would totally disagree with slavery and try to change things. I think that it would be very hard for the white people who disagreed with slavery because the majority of whites owned slaves and if they found out that you were making a commotion about slavery you would most likely have a horrible consequence.
My opinion is mostly like Amelia's. It is very wrong for what the Americans did back in the day. But we did learn that everyone should get treated equally and not be treated unequal because of our color. and being held against their will and beaten to death, thats uncalled for! people should of just worked themselves, thats what some people did. too many humans were tortured during the years of slavery.
My opinion is that slavery didn't have to happen if the whites put in a little more work ethic then none of this would of happened. Today at one of the stations it talked about families. It said that they had big families. if they had so many family members then why capture slave and torture them when you have enough family members to get the job don
I totally agree with you Aaron!! If they had alot of family members like that paper said they did, the families should have pitched in more. But, I think the families were only big to help themselves around the house and to grow their own crops. I don't nessicarily think slavery wouldn't have happened, though. I think it would have happened because wealthy colonists were lazy and wanted someone to do their work for them. But, if people had worked harder as most of you guys are saying, slavery wouldn't have gone to the extent that it went to.
@ Allison: Yeah I agree with you about the punishing criminals. That makes so much more sense than beating and starving innocent people.
@ Aaron & Kassidy: I was thinking that too! It's ridiculous that they have such large families, but they can't get up annd do their own fields in the blazing hot sun and blistery cold all day long. I just wish in some way the slaveholders could be held against their will,starved,and beaten and see how they like. They should try tending to fields all day while getting whipped!
(Lauren Terry)
I agree with Jackie, Lauren and lillian, Slavery was both good and bad. Slavery was horrible but without it our economy would have failed. Plus if we hadnt have had slavery what would stop us from doing it later down the road? Nothing, because we wouldnt know that it was a bad thing to do. Im not sure if i agree with Amelia and Aron though becuase, like i said earlier, we needed to have had slavery that way would never do it again. They did have large Families but everyone had a part in helping around the house and farming they just needed more help because of how much land they were given, and that was why they had slaves. So it very much was a win/lose sitionation.
I agree with Caitlyn, and anyway they had large families not just because they would have more people to work. Lots of children died and so the colonists had lots of children so some would survive. They didn't have THAT big of families to be able to work what took so many slaves. If they only made people who would be in jail be slaves then no one would do anything wrong, because slavery was to much of a punishment for ANY crime. There wouldn't have been enough criminals anyway- they had MILLIONS of slaves. also if slavery was nessicary for the succes of america, they should have at LEAST treated the slaves as 3/5 of a person-they treated them as -25/5 of a person. Lillian was right-we treat our pets better and they arn't part of a person at all. They should deffinatly have fed and shelterd them well enough for them to live healthily. I agree with lauren- i would like to know how america would have turned out without salvery. Also if we can think of so many ways for america to replace slaves, why couldn't a bunch of men? I understand that no one wanted to work and that the people against slavery were persecuted, but who came up with slavery and why couldn't they have come up with a humane way for america to succede? Were they really that greedy?
Mr. Veliz, this will be the second time I've written this because the first time I wrote a paragraph and when I hit PUBLISH YOUR COMMENT the page went to your webpage has expired, and then I couldn't get back in. So I'm going to try again.
I agree with Jackie and Kassidy. I don't understand why slaves weren't treated as normal people. If slaves were treated as the normal people that they were 'whites' and 'blacks' probably wouldn't have been seperated, different bathrooms, different school, even differnet beaches! On the other hand, I don't think the United States would have made it without the slaves. The slaves did everything from make clothes, to harvest crops. Slaves did so much for the United States but they were treated so cruely! I would be hugging the slaves instead of beating them. They have done so much for us and they got beaten,and starved. I think slavery was a terrible thing.
While i agree with many peoples comments that slavery helped the colonies succeed economically, slavery was not a good thing. No one should be treated as less than human. Instead, we should have treated them the same as us and let them live normal lives. The United States still survived as a nation even after slavery was abolished. I think the colonists would have succeeded even with out slavery. If they had the strength and bravery to come to a new world i think they would have found a way to make it work. And if all races were treated equally from the beginning of this country would we still have racial issues today?
I agree with Jackie as well, i think that slavery was terrible but if it didnt happpen, America might not be as it is today. Also if we didn't have slavery, and no one experienced it, we might not no that it's bad to treat humans unequally, or as if their not human.
I think it wasnt nessecary to haveslaves they could have been enduntured servants oractually geet paid
I agree with what everyone has said except for those who stated that without slaves the economy back then would have hit rock bottom.Yes possibly the economy could have hit rock bottom but I am pretty sure that there was someone in that time period who could have came up with a million and one ideas on how to keep the economy from hitting rock bottom besides using the method of slavery.To me in order for someone to partly understand they have to think of themselves or a close relative beng treated that way when they did nothing wrong.In conclusion If the reason why slavery was used because no one wanted the economy to hit rock bottom its still alol wrong that method should not have been used with any race for any reason
I think that slavery wasn’t good nor bad at the same time either.I tink that America for the first time actually learned something from this. They learned not to use cruality for something that could have verry well have been us out thier. I mean it was terrible for people just like us to take in so much pain, to even die from it, but the slaves being held against their will, made it possible for the other people to make reasonable profits for themselves and the benefit for America. Thus the other people have helping hands and, remember not ALL slaves were tortured. Yes, some were but not all. On the boats over here they all were, but not every person who owned a slave took utter advantage of them either. Ether way, this epidemic should not of happened or happen again.
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